Jason: So why are the hiatus? So why the hiatus and why does it come back up? Well, back then we were, we 1st broke up or split apart because everyone started going, trying to finish school, go to jobs, get careers. Everyone wanted to be an adult, right? The overrated adult is where you figure out where they are. So we all thrust ourselves into careers. This guy's a psycho and goes into the fucking war. And fuck. And then Mike (Schmidt, OG drummer) splits off. does his thing, ends up, you know, committing suicide, all that crazy shit, Thai ends up dying of mysterious reasons. And so then we reformed after that to do what we did. We had a reunion show that was 10 years later. So then we thought we had some movement then, but I was a fucking psychopath, like, addicted to work, like, tried to build my career. I don't even know how I squeezed in time for that. And then none of that kids were around the corner. I was, I got married. Glenn got married, so we were all doing the adult life, right? And then Kelly was getting here. I think he was married by then. Yeah, so everyone was married. everyone's doing their thing. Brandon was still... running around being Geraputo, having a blast, you know? But then we wrote, actually, we had 2 or 3 new songs and we played one, we debuted one back then. Fence Walker might have to fucking revisit and bring that back because I haven't recorded it.
Glenn: Yeah, I hope you do, because I do.
Jason: I have it recorded. in a locked like... Yeah. Safe, basically. So after that, then it was like, okay, I love music. Straight Edge, saved my life. Grew up more as fuck, grew up in the gutter, pull myself out of the gutter. You know, all of us here can probably have that same relation with it. And, um, And then going through the times, like, it was, my wife worked a ton, so I'm Mr. Dad at night. Couldn't play music and I'm like, well, fuck, man. My kids are old enough now to where I can play music because I love music. Music for me is like therapy, man. And so it's like, I was like, Glenn, we, during the pandemic, we didn't have shit to do. We're locked away. And we had an opportunity to go into a studio with this other kid and um, start writing music. And then was like, fuck, man, let's do it. So we literally wrote 13 songs of music, but I wasn't 100% satisfied because it was like, I wanted more breakdowns in it, more bigger, like, and so Kelly was like the one who would help do that, but he wasn't, he was out there running fucking marathons, doing Iron Man. So then we did that for some time, did some recording stuff, tried to get the studio up and going that it was just so back and forth with the people we were dealing with on that. They were like very manic. It was always up and down. It was like a roller coaster, so we broke away from that. I approached Asa, said, Hey, man, are you down? Like, we want to play music. We've already got a backlog of shit that we're working on. Are you down to play? And then I was like, well, fuck, you know, this young gentleman over here... What's your name?
Cliff: Jake Seelye?
Jake: Don't worry about it. John Doe.
Cliff: Jake Seelye, the a.k.a. don't fucking worry about it, eh?
Jason: That's him to talk to him, see if he was down to play, he was down.
Glenn: No, we're like, man, we need another guitar player. like, you know, he's like, well, I know this guy. He's Edge.
Jason: And he's a fucking power lifter. No, no, he's a strong man. Strong man, I'm not dude, he's in. Because now our lineup is back over 200. Yeah, back to the where it should be. The true meaning of heavy, right?
Asa: Above victim weight.
Jason: Yeah, we're all about being heavy.
Glenn: No one misses a meal in this lot. Well, that's kind of how it's been so bad. Back then, we were tuned to like D. We changed our tuning a bit because I wanted heavier. We all wanted heavier, so now we're doing the C. We're not quite with the 7 strings in that fucking crazy. We still... You know, now it's like, I want to have big single ons, big crowd participation where I think we did ourselves a disservice because back then when we're on tour, we toured like crazy. But our record labels were in Europe, like, 2 of them were in Europe. So back then it wasn't about the internet. I mean, my phone bills from booking tours was fucking crazy. Like, myself and Sean, from XClearX like, dude, we spent 1000s of dollars on photos, book computers. That just, like, you know, distro was tough. Like, it wasn't like the, you know, the one night fucking recorded video and the next thing you know, you're famous because you're a man. Back then you had to get out and grind, get on the road, do that.
Cliff: So is it just easier now to be a band?
Jason: Oh, yeah, I would say. I mean, all... And we see, like, back then, I mean, we're all paying our dues, man. I grew up in the Skeeno scene. We're skate punk kids. Like, growing up, like, fighting our way through, like, literally. You had the 7 seconds group. We were friends with him and we were friends with like a lot of like Criminal Mischief. The expelled. Glenn plays in fucking Discipline. Mike Ward. So, like all of that history, like, we're all a part of that history. You know, we grew up through that came through that. And I just feel like we have a lot more to say and do. Like as a band, because, like I said, we did ourselves a good service a few times because of, oh, fuck, we gotta get back to work. Like, we missed like a couple big shots, like, we had a showcase that we were offered, and it was one of our last shows we were in Chicago. We played with Turmoil. And we just fucking went nuts, laid it all on the line. It was the Victory (Records) rep was there. And he was like fucking stoked, you know? He was like, oh, fuck, man. I gotta showcase a Snapcase. We need you guys to stay out longer, and we're like, oh, fuck, we gotta get back to work. We're already out for, like, two months. And we're broke as fuck. What are you gonna do, bro?
Glenn: Eight weeks on the road. Yeah, we're after 2 months straight, like, just grinding, right?
Jason: Like, fuck, man. And we missed that opportunity, whereas I know it, we would have fucking played that showcase. But I, you know, I have no regrets, you know, because out of that, we come back, things happen. I mean, I think that was like one of the last big things we did. And then we get offered like, okay, fucking, let's resurrect this fucking thing. And, you know, Liar and his label. Say, hey, we wanna put you guys out. We're like, well, fuck, what do we got?
Glenn: That was only like 2 years later.
Jason: Yeah, 2 years later, fuck, we still got all those songs that we never put out. And I think that's to the to date, those are our best songs that we ever recorded. That's so so recorded. That's what's killed me forever, is that all of our recordings are shit output. Like, we didn't have producers because we took the poor shit. It was all on our budgets, money that we make, straight and shit.
Glenn: And you're trying to rush in the studio and things never turn out well when you're rushing.
Jason: And it was just a, it was super tough back then. Like now, this guy's got studio in his house. I just bought a lot of shit. I'm saying there to do all my recording vocals and practice in my house. These guys, like, need buys, you know, all these guys have bought new shit and, like, everybody's, like, stepped up to the game and really wanting to play and do things where it's not that it's easier now, it's less pressure.
Cliff: everybody seems like, well, you know, like everybody's grown up. Like, everybody can buy their own equipment and everybody wants to play in the band and it's it's a focus for everybody in the band that, it becomes good and it is successful.
Jason: Well, that's the thing. We know that we're not out to, like, make it a career. We're all in, but, like, pretty deep. Most of us have children. Right, you got kids, yeah, whatever. Now it's for like the passion of the message of it. We're still a 100% always will be a Straight Edge band. I would never put this band back together if we weren't Straight Edge. First and foremost.
Cliff: I was going to ask that next. Like, why was it important for you to, be an edge band still?
Jason: Because I'm still straight edge. Everybody here, still straight edge, and that's the most important thing, maybe about the band?
Glenn: I looked at it. It started off straight, and people that held their edge are still edge.
Jason: And my thing is, like, you know, other people disagree with me, and this may be weird for people, but for me, straight edge is for eternity. There's no 2nd chance because there's no take back. Like, and that's nothing against all those other people. You know, they paved the way and it was great, but for me, it saved my life, and I'm gonna do my best to be a great example for my kids, 1st and foremost, because I did grow up in a shithole. Like, it was horrible. You know, and I don't want my kids exposed to that shit. Yeah, that old.
Glenn: Yeah, and Cliffy was part of all that shit.
Cliff': We're all, we're all... You know, I've known you guys since we were five, so... 40, 45, 46 years, yeah, right. Jason; That's fucking crazy. I'm surprised it is. I mean, I used to think, fuck, we made best 25. Like, we're fucking we're living some crazy shit back.
Cliff: Dude, I have no idea how we made it like... like how I made it out of that. Yeah, or all the violent ass shows I mean, you know, she went down. bullshit. Yeah. So, so, you know, like So let's have all these guys introduce themselves.
Asa: Asa. Ace Spades.
Cliff: And what do you play?
Asa: I do, I'm playing bass in this. I got offered the opportunity to play in this band that I grew up seeing, you know, 16 years old at the place we lovingly called sock 'em up. You know, and, uh, got exposed to that, and, uh, you know, just, I wasn't straight age at the time, when I, when I first saw it, but I still, I felt, I felt something, like, a draw to it. And then, uh, growing up, you know, and then you come into the Straight Edge scene, and those are all the, uh, the heroes, uh, that you're kind of looking up to, especially when you're, you know, 18, 19 years old. And, uh, yeah, man, just being able to to share in this and participate in something that I grew up on and kind of saw as, like, the pinnacle of Reno Straight Edge, and now now we're here.
Jason: And I hope by meaning your hero, you weren't disappointed because most people get disappointed.
Asa: Well, you know, I'm a little disappointed you don't drop through ceilings. when someone says fuck straight inch because that was the story in high school. It's like, don't say that.
Jason: gotta plead the 5th on that one.
Asa: Yeah, that's the only thing that ever happened that I was a little bummed out about.
Cliff: How about you sir?
Jake: Jake Seelye? playing drums. I only saw Unconquered once. That was in the 2010 reunion show. That was actually the 1st time I met all the other guys. Yeah. Uh, hearing the stories with Jason and then, um, seeing a lot more of the OGs that, you know, you hear everything about that kind of, like brought you into hardcore is those kind of like an eye opening show. Yeah. And then shaking his hand (ED: talking about Glenn) for the 1st time was like, like covered my whole hand. He made my friend at the time shit his pants at one point. No, I was, I reached out to Unconquered to play Halloween, and I wasn't in at the time, and kind of was like trying, like, hey, you know, it'd be really cool to get these guys, like, back at a show. like, so I can actually, like, enjoy it. I didn't know much of anything at that 1st reunion show. And so Jason was like, yeah, we can see what we can do. And then finally, you know, he, you know, he hit me up, and, you know, a lot of problems with the drummer, and all that, and it was just, like, hit or miss coming along, and then he still told me, yeah. He's like, finally, when he told me it was gonna happen, I was like, well, fuck yeah. I can see Unconquered. And then... And then one day. And then one day Asa messages me and he goes, "hey, practice drums". Okay, you know, I'm in a band right now, right? Like I play the... I'm playing the drums. And he's like, well, you're going to get a phone call. And I was like, who the fuck is it, man? Like, I don't do the anxiety shit. Like, who the fuck, like, what the fuck? Like, it's something I can't play. I want them holding on to it, you know? And, uh, finally, it was just like, Unconquered. Jason's gonna ask me to drum for Unconquered. I was like, no way. I was like, don't they have a drummer? We got a show here about 4 or 5 months. I was like, what? And so, yeah, you finally put me in a group chat and we had to play we had to play rush around. Got in and now kind of feels good. Looks fucking dope.
Glenn: They push you.
Jason: We all pushing each other. That's what they do. Like, being able to, like, push the levels of everybody's intensity and, like, make each other better.
Glenn: Well, and like pull their ideas out.
Jake: Last guy that brought it all together. All right, dude. This guy brought it all together for sure.
Colin: I'm at the point where I have to take Advil before I get a show.
Colin: Colin? calling you out, I guess, as it said on the Madball flyer. Yeah. I actually never saw Unconquered in their day. I heard all these rumors of like, you want to know who the real scary stranger guys are? And then they're like, talk about the Program and everything. They're like, watch out for those guys. Fuck. You say one wrong thing. You're done for it. And like, I remember growing up hearing those rumors. curious, but never made it to a show. Um, and then I was getting back into music and I was actually messaging people, trying to find a Straight Edge kids to put a Straight Edge band together. And, uh, Asa messages me and he's like, hey, you want to be in a Straight Edge band? I was like, actually yeah, sure. And then he sends me a bunch of songs, and he's like, welcome to Unconquered. I was like, oh, shit. okay. You're like, that band. Like that fucking fan, man. They're like, all right. Fucking awesome. Yeah, and he's like, we got a show in a month. So no pressure. Good luck. All right. Let's fucking sick. It'll be a show in a month. I mean, we... That's what it was a month, yeah. Six songs? That was a leader.
Jason: Yeah. And it was right online with 25 years of the program.
Cliff: So introduce yourself there.. Oh, man. Jason Wines, a.k.a. Lord War ball. All right, I want you to tell all the new fans what you want them to know.
Jason: I'm really not as scary as people maybe.
Jake: Still the godfather?
Jason: I love... I love talking to everybody. Well, it's like, I've been straight engine now for 37 years. I actually had to kelp that because it's not in my brain. Um, but I remember since we were, fuck, man, like 10, I think the 1st show we went to was like Circle Jerks, uh, what else? Fucking, is it daughter G's? And then we went to Grange Hall shows. I mean, we'll see. Like I said, I'll start posting all the flyers I have. So we got involved in it because, like, my neighbors were like these cool punk rock chicks that would babysit us, and then they were all friends with Skeeno and all punk rock, and then we ended up, you know, meeting 7 Seconds, Jack Schitt, like bands like that back then, Wasted Youth. was another one. Yeah, so like all these Reno bands going to shows, going to daughter duties, going to the Grange Hall, um, Keystone Theater. Dude, there was shows like everywhere. Yeah. Um, so getting that exposure and wanting to be a part of it, like, coming from a fucked up childhood, you're like, man, where can I be accepted, you know? And then there's people like, get back. It was open armed, you know, we were skating everywhere. riding CityFare you know, we go down the fucking... We're living out of town. We took 8 fucking hours to go anywhere. like, oh, get your bus transfer. do all that bullshit. You got our skateboard, like, um, I just remember doing all that, being, you know, because when you don't have a family that gives a fuck, you just run amok.
Glenn: Yeah, yeah. Like, we would be out 12, 10, 11 years old.
Jason: We're back and doing whatever the fuck we want, like untethered, you know? And, um, like, old bands, like, uh, what good cop? Because they're some of their 1st punk rock bands in his fucking house, like we probably drove Glenn's parents insane. I just want to... Yeah, and they were like, they were absentee parents. His dad, his dad was fucking cool. His dad had rocked the banjo guitar and all that shit and um, but like having that fucked up family life, you just blood doesn't make you family, you know? It's like, who you can, you know, mend with and hang out with, and who's got your back, and like, there's always these fucking giant crews of dirt heads that wanted to fucking fight us, like, all the time. all the time. So we fought every time we went out, there was a fucking fight. It didn't matter where we went, who we were with, getting off the school bus. Like, I remember fucking calling, getting off the school bus. We just saw Judge come out, Discipline played with Judge, and was 88, 89 at Gilman Street. He's got his brand new Judge shirt on. Because the West Coast weekend tour. and this dirthead fucking yens his fucking shirt and it tears and then we're like, oh, fuck. You just did what to that shirt? It was out of control. So luckily we didn't get suspended and we proved self-defense. That was one of the funniest stories. But it was like, man, we all became Straight Edge at kind of similar times and, uh, It was super abrasive to people. They didn't know how to handle us.
Cliff: Yeah, because it was new.
Glenn: I remember like when, you know, I 1st got into Australia, I just, I was 15 still, so I just, we got into it and I remember... We were playing, we started...
Cliff: Introduce yourself first.
Glenn: Yeah, an old straight edge guy, I guess.
Cliff: You've written every fucking awesome, awesome old Reno hardcore song ever that's been.
Glenn: I've wrote it. I wrote a lot of riffs in my name. For who? Probably forgot a lot more than I've written now, so... Discipline, new blood. Unconquered, you played for? Yeah, so... Of course you're, and we've been in a probably a little XForever TrueX. Yes, I played. Oh, yeah, that's right. When I was on leave in the army, I came all the songs in like 2 days and made a shot and I'm sure it was terrible, but... So, um, I just remember, like, being, like, young and in heist, like, high school, and I remember getting jumped, got jumped by, like, a bunch of the shitty punk rockers slash Jocko dudes. Yeah, because they didn't like the fact they're Straightedge and because of it, they felt, you know, like, I guess they felt threatened, so that's that's that's when the whole, you know, we had to become a little tougher than what everybody was thinking. Because, you know, you could jump on it.
Jason: It may accuse us of being militant.
Glenn: Yes. But it was all, it was, it was started. Like back then, if things would have been a lot smoother, I'm sure it wouldn't have been as much trouble.
Jason: We've seen like waves of Straight Edge, right? Yeah. We are like the 2 remaining people that have say Straight Edge in Unconquered, but we've seen everybody come and go and, you know, the people that preach the loudest typically go away and they're a bunch of stupid shit and they go from like one to a 100, right? They're like, fucking, oh, I was Straight Edge for 5 years. I got to make up for 5 years by going straight to heroin. you know We had friends that were straight in, and next thing you know, they're ODing on heroin. like, what the fuck? And we see it, though, with, like, every scene. You see that with a lot of kids, and that goes back to me, like, why I'm straight age. I mean, the 1st girl I ever cared about, I was in eighth grade, and she got murdered by a fucking drunk driver, you know, so it's like, between that and all my life shit that's going on, I got fucking crazy psycho people in and out of my house, bad shit. So yeah, I don't want to go down that bad. You know, it's, um, I'm very, I have a few extremes, so I would, like, I would be off the rock. off the fucking rails. I would be... prison, dead. Well, I think it's been, like, a literal, like, injustice, like, in our town, because we had the scene fucking just popping. I mean, it's weird. We'd play in there every three to 500 kids, right? So for me, I was like, fuck, man. Reno's not on the map right now, and I'm like, well, these guys, I'm like, let's put fucking Reno straight in back on the map, yeah. You know, and that's been the goal. Like, let's get this thing.
Glenn: But in a wiser way than we were when we were.
(Lola showed up for her impromptu interview for the essay version of this interview, read it there)
Cliff: are you writing new stuff? You are because I heard it. But, okay, so you are, but like, allegedly. So... What can people expect if they haven't heard anything from you other than your old stuff with the with this new music now?
Jason: We tune to C now. Because we want it's going to be heavier. obviously. We want to bring more groove to it. Like, I want more dance parts.
Cliff: Like more straightforward hardcore?
Jason: But still heavy, though. Like, you know, breakdowns, big sing-alongs, stuff like that. More crowd participation, you know? And we're, we're not gonna have long drawn out songs, and I'm gonna have a lot of, uh, butter bear out a little bit, you know? Yeah, sure. Before, I had a lot of shit to say. Not that I don't have a lot of shit to say now, but I'm gonna have the crap participate and they can say, well, shit with us.
Glenn: But at the same time, we're still keeping it very much in our style and concrete.
Cliff: Yeah, that's exactly what it was. You actually heard it, and it's very, like, it's very, like, Clevo influenced is what it sounded like.
Jason: Yeah, I would say we were like that, right? So we grew up with 7 Seconds, but they were very positive. yAnd we've known him forever, but we're not like our childhood's fucking... It's not, that's not how I, I can't be positive to sing about positivity if I can. Broken ass hole, you know, and all the fucking childhood memories that come with that shit, um, that's not in me to be like that. So I'm singing from my heart. My experience, things I've gone through, things that people can relate to. Yeah. And so you'll see more of that and it's going to have the straight end message as well because that is a huge thing for me.
Cliff: Is everyone equally involved in the actual song writing or?
Jason: I would say so. It might drive all over our wives and girlfriends crazy. Oh, yeah. We're group chatting. I want to do that. mixing shit. Like, he sends shit out at like one in the morning. I'm like, oh, fuck. Get a life Glenn. Yeah, there's the wives, like, don't got to worry about any funny business. It's just music. Yeah, they don't realize then, you know, it's like, we're just nerds. Yeah, totally, like, we've all bought, like, this new gear for a house. what I'm saying. You guys got new shit. You got recordings. New bands, like, No Cure. They blow my mind. I mean, they're fucking. Oh, dude, they're amazing. Masters, right. They're amazing. And they have the same things, like they lock themselves in a fucking room environment, and they just write, right, right, and the shit that comes out of us is phenomenal. Yeah. I mean, they're one of my favorite new bands. They're touring fucking malls. They know. They know what it's all about. It's paid off for them.
Glenn: And I do like seeing that younger generation of kids that are coming up and it's, you know, right now you'll see so much people talking about, you know, these younger kids, how bad they are. No, they're really not. You know, they're just doing it their way. I'm talking about the whole generation thing, but I'm just saying...
Cliff: Well, there's so much good hardcore now. Like there's so much good hardcore.
Jason: Everybody, like Hellfest West, I'm going to that next. That for me, that's like a reunion to see all the people I know. From all the time, right? And then there's new bands and there's new bands popping off everywhere. I mean, bands like fucking Haywire that literally are haywire. I mean, dude, that dude had a goal. We want to play every fucking state of America. I appreciate them, done. Like shit like that motivates feeling. Fuck. I know that we're not going to be out too, we're going to do crazy shit, but we are going to be playing.
Cliff: Yeah, but you can play one off in other states.
Jason: We're making shit. We're gonna play best. Like we have a fest lined up that we can't talk about right now. But I'm back in back. Okay, back east, I was gonna say. Yeah, so that's going. And then we've got shows coming up and we want to play a minimum of once a month, like around... I don't want to burn people out or get them bored. But it goes back to us not having the exposure. If you get all our labels that were all like, you know, throughout Europe and, you know, and then I give Dan credit for Dan Gump credit because he signed us by, he saw us once. You know, that was awesome. His label was fucking banging then. He had the best like label back then. But then we started getting offers and we just, we went and, you know, and now here we are. He's playing again. We're playing again. So I chat with him. Like all those guys from the label that a lot of them were playing against. Yeah, I'm trying to get him to do a fucking like a label showcase.
Cliff: Like, after the old school one (ED: I was at the OG LSR label showcase in Corona at the Showcase Theatre - INSANITY).
Jason: Yep, and they just added grown more. And it's time for, right? Exactly. Like, those kids are like a new generation of kids that are our friends. Well, it's like, it's like, that that's Troy Trujillo.. Troy's kid (Judge in XForever WarX) in Salt Lake, yeah. So, like, How cool is that to see? And then I got my kid involved. He's like, does merch for us.
Cliff: They're gonna, they're gonna be the 1st kids to grow up in this scene.
Jason: He claims Straight Edge now, and I think to love it, this show, I'm like,
Jake: oh, wait, he knows he has to get jumped in, right? Yeah, put the mask on here. He doesn't know that part yet. Now you can be Straight Edge.
Cliff: He's gonna beat her ass. Hey, I told people having... Who's going to jumping straight and fights best? She's gonna beat your ass, dude.
Jason: Dude, he's getting so big and strong.
Cliff: What can we expect lyrically of your songs.
Jason: Obviously, Straight Edge. I'm not going into politics because I think that's a fucking brutal concept, right? Like, I don't like what's going on. My thing is, I'm not the right. I not the left and the middle finger. Right. And they're the one percent. It's literally like I said in our shows, like the war isn't in here. It's in the fucking streets. And these fucking pieces of shit that are at the one%, all of them, they do not give a fuck about us. I was equated to, so when I work, I'm a professional. I'm like, you know, what you'd say, blue collar, white collar, whatever. So I wear long sleeves, dress nice for work, right? So I have that opinion. I go in and I talk to these big representatives. I have to go do speeches, talk, do all this shit. And then I always think, like, man, what if I was rocking a t-shirt with shorts? A lot of these people... Wouldn't even listen to me. fucking time of day, and I wouldn't be listening to this fucking punk ass, like, all tattooed.
Cliff: A punk, yeah, you think you're a punk?
Jason: And that's literally it. And it's like, oh, wow. So you're not educated because they're not going to give you a chance, but then they hear me with all my normal work clothes on. I'm like, oh, but those are those, the one% click up here that soon as they're behind those closed doors, they're all fucking friends, so fuck all of them. They do not care about anybody. No they don't. in this fucking room or outside this room. As long as we bow down and listen to them, pay our taxes, don't challenge anything, because the worst thing for them is if everybody on that level fucking put all the differences aside, worked everything out, and became a united people, they're fucked. Like, that's the last thing they want is us thinking for ourselves. They do not want that. And so my thing is burn them all to the fucking ground.
Cliff: So is everybody else involved in the lyric writing process?
Jason: I'm sure that I will open it up to that. Okay, I'm down to hear what people will have to say and what we're talking about and incorporate that. Okay. I'm totally down for that. But like I said, it's not we're not like a political band by any means. But we are very anti-racist. They anti- fucking Nazi scumbags, you know? Anti-just fucking one% huge? Well, just like the regular hard, right? I think. Like, that's like... How many times have we... I mean, dude, how many times have we fucking fought and stomped out Nazis, like, trying to come? Yeah. And I don't want to see it go back to that. No, yeah, I don't. You know? We're trying to do our best to keep that going and we want that positive moment. Oh, yeah, we are, we may be rough and tumble and tough and all that shit. Like people may perceive us as that, but dude, I'll talk to you about it. Right. I'm open. I talk to anyone. I have fun. I went to a couple of the new kids shows and like introduce myself and had fun and, you know, and support them and show support for them.
Cliff: And you know, you don't have a scene unless you have other bands.
Jason: Unless you have people to play with. the scene you have to work from within. The word from within, yeah. You have to lend the helping hand and be willing to participate. If we want people to come to our show, we got to go to their shows and for them. Like, you know, it's a mutual respect, you know, it's one thing that they're talking shit and doing stupid shit or whatever, and then they get called out, but it's like, just have fun.
Glenn: But the nice thing is, you know, it's, we actually have menus. It's not just one venue.
Jason: We have tons stupid and fucking bites to break out and then venues get shut down. We got to not do that. Like, that's the mistakes that were made in the past, right? We're fucking tearing shit up right and shit. Well, and it's people's livelihood, you know?
Colin: I think it's all about supporting the younger kids because, like, we're all, we're not gonna go to every single show. No, those kids who are 17, you have to go as much as you want. When I was that age, I went to every single. Oh, fuck you. So I try to let them borrow my equipment when I can and stuff like that. I want the younger kids to carry the torch because if they don't, then the team just dies.
Glenn: And then we did have a pretty good die off over the years.
Jason: Well, for me, like, I felt like a real responsibility. Well, yeah, because you're a singer on the band, right? You're in charge and you're fucking really, like, he'll build this shit, like bring all the bands here and get everybody here, and like, and I know what it's like, this guy, like, he gets upset when he has to book shows and shit. That's all I used to do with those shows. And I know what it is like. I think, let's just be trust, the tough, the pain in the ass and, like, I know all that, man. It's a challenge, you know? So, but to get that back on the map, like now people, you know, they literally go by Vegas or like go right on... shoot up the Boise, go right by. and it's like, man, how do we get that bag? to where we can grow the scene and have fun and show people like, hey, man, there's more than just casinos and bullshit. We were one of the top part of our scene who left. All right, no. Reno was bumping. I mean, everybody wanted to come here, everybody was like, always amazing.
Glenn: The 90s, the shows were bigger than those 2000 shows.
Cliff: What's up with future record releases?
Jason: Trying to get everything mixed and mastered of our old stuff. re-release a bunch of stuff on knives out from friends. You get some of the sickest layout. Oh, that's okay. Yeah, so shout out Mads out, man. We were dragging our ass forever because we're trying to get everything done and getting it out. And getting it right. Yes, right. We're going to get it out to him. He's gonna be good stuff. very close. New record, probably like there's Inspirit Records from Salt Lake that want to do a vinyl of The Wall of Time. So we're gonna work on that and get that to him, and then Holy Mountain printing is gonna be doing another release probably on the new record. Okay. If we ever get it freaking done. So we're pushing for that, and then, but my thing is, you know, I'm not going to be tied to one label. Right. Everyone's put out our shit, man. lets put it out. Right. I really want to do like cool packaging and like a bunch of Like we've never put out a 12 inch vinyl. has been on CDs, so I'd love to do cool... So, a wild variety of... vinyl colors. Just limited colors, like there's so much. And also some splits with some other bands. Yeah, splits and pub shit and just, you just want to have fun, you know? It's not about being a rock star, trying to sell a million records or get a 1000000 people on Spotify. You know, it's just about having fun and doing what we all love to do, which is play music, right?
Glenn: Get to travel every once in a while.
Cliff: Well, I was gonna ask you that next question. Like, well, what do you plan on staying here, or do you want to go to Fests, or on a huge tour?
Jason: I don't know about a huge tour because again, like, there's those commitments that we have, right? So, the one-off things where we can fly out and do a fast.
Glenn: It would be great to be able to take a vacation, go to a week and play fast in Europe or something. ,
Jason: I would love to Japan, the 5 days in Japan that you can do, you know, blood on specs. Blood X Fest and all that stuff that they do. These guys... Yeah, they're trying to do, huh? Yeah, they do a lot of, like, great stuff and those guys are so cool. The bands are amazing, and the guys Loyal to the Grave, they were part of State Craft. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, raising their record labels and record store, like, they really kept it alive over there. Cliff: Shout out who's helped you.
Asa: Um, I gotta say that, like, some of my brothers in Brick by Brick and Full Blown Chaos have kind of kept me, like, kept pushing me, like, always telling me, no, no, no, she keep doing something, keep doing something, keep doing something, you know? Kept pushing us with, when we were doing XDevotionX, to keep, you know, hey, keep doing it, don't give up on that. Keep pushing. Um, so those guys have really always been there for us. Guys, the, you know, on the west coast, the guy's in Powerhouse, have always been a huge help. Uh, some of our. Oh yeah, those old school guys. OBHC, yeah. Yeah. All of our family, down in LA, have always been encouraging us and kind of inviting us out to stuff. to play and do things that are, you know, more than just like, you know, some basement shows and stuff. Um, But yeah, there's just, you know, all these young bands that are coming out right now are like a major motivation. Just because it's keeping up with all of that. Yeah. And just their energy and everything that they're doing nowadays, it's like so crazy, you know, like you've mentioned, like, fans like Haywire, who just like nonstop. double doing double days and stuff like that. Gorilla shows. Yeah, gorilla shows. Yeah, no, I love that. amazing. And just, you know, and seeing bands just not not give in and just fucking push. It's just, you know, and despite everything that could be put in their way, they fucking just keep rolling. And it's just like, the spirit's still there. It's kind of hard because I get jealous. I can't be 20 years old. And yeah, it can't be 20 years old and say, fuck this job. I didn't get that. You know, I'm gonna go have fun with my friends in, you know? So you're saying, oh, you worked yourself into a job. Have a job. I got it. And I always got to give a shout out to my to my boy, Lord Ezec, because I did a pretty good tour of Skarhead, and that was just fucking a blast. That whole fucking, that whole thing was just... plead the fifth, sir.
Cliff: Jake, you're up, baby. Well, who helped you? Who do you want to shout out who helped you to stay motivated?
Jake: I mean, I've been in a band with Asa since, fuck. 2010, right? Yeah. that, like, he came on and then kind of went through some waves and then we did X Devotion X for fucking, I think 10 years. 10 years, huh? And so that was like a consistent, you know, like, that at that time we had kind of like a little wave where it was just like, yeah, we need you this. Hey we need you this. Hey, we got this, we got this. So he's been kind of a pretty big push. Obviously, the Reno fam, you know, boys, and then, you know, being with Black and Blue boys now and going back, that was a huge, that really, like, was like the fun to try to broaden horizons of music because, yeah, sure. I'm into hardcore, but I wasn't into hardcore. You know, like, I wanted just the heavy stuff. Well, there's all kinds of history list. So when I finally went back east and started meeting all the real hardcores, yeah. and listening to actually hardcore bands, it was kind of like, damn, right? more to it. I saw Sick of it All, seeing Agnostic Front, all of a sudden, like, seeing these guys...
Jason: Hope he gets better. Yeah, shout out to Lou (Koller from Sick of it All)
Jake: And listening to all those guys and then coming back and then we meet with the guitar player, like, hey, I just listened to this one. was try to like speed it up a little bit. I never wanted to do that shit. throwing certain tempos at me. Motherfucker, I can't play a certain... Why are you pushing, bitch? Fuck, fuck. You can't fucking play it. And now I'm just like, hey, we can throw a circle pit here. Hey, we can probably throw a circle pit here. So, you know, East Coast, you know, like definitely played a huge park traveling over there. And then, yeah, that's about it, you know. My my actual brothers, my 2 big brothers, you know, he was a musician, and then they kind of like didn't understand where I was coming from. My parents sure as hell didn't, so my brothers kind of, like, finally understood what I was involved in and everything. They're kind of like, you should do that. And they came to both times. Both shows that on Concorde played so far, so. Thanks for introducing us. Yeah. You did? I did.
Cliff: Hi, Colin, how about you? What's up?
Colin: Um... I mean, being foundational thing for me was a little show house comfortable around me. Yeah, for a time. The girl who kind of ran that place, her name was Susie. She was one of my best friends in the world. Um, I credit her for dragging me out to shows all over the West Coast. And then, honestly, just every kid that goes to a show or books a show or, you know, uh, sets up a DIY venue and um, makes this whole thing happen, you know? Jason: Shout out to fucking the Empire, right? 7462 booking.
Jason: Hey, you guys, you guys started the fucking club. I mean, on your own, so shout out to you guys on that.
Asa: It took it took it took many of people. So for everybody that's involved... If he'd open my own. Yeah, that was my own. Hey, hey, that's the solution. I can't. Can't move down. I don't fuck the building. It's an illusion, yeah. That's it. We just put your time out the back.
Colin: I guess I'll shout out my sponsors then. Yeah, whatever. I'm still waiting on that video. The Fix is the, like, roomier punk rock vegan restaurant. They employ me at times and they feed me all the time. Right. Um, I guess uh, we'll go with the Midtown tattoo. Shout out to Good Boy Tattoo as well. Oh, shit, okay. As well as Tony Medellin because he... The godfather. Oh, he did my 1st tattoo. Ink Master. He pestered me. He didn't come out to one of his shows, even though he was a little scared punk rock. Yep, yep. Did not like hardcore kids at that time. Who knows? Yeah, and then I stood in the back all scared and everybody was really nice to me. I was like, oh, this is so much cooler than punk rock. No, yeah, I just remember being like, we were talking, I was like, I'm gonna be like a punk rocker forever, and you're like, I'm gonna be fucking straight edge (talking to Jake). Y
Cliff: All right, well, how about you, man?
Glenn: All right, well, you know, a lot of things kind of got me here just 8 years. So, you know, the number one thing, you know, for me, it's always been, you know, family support. like my wife. Yeah. She supports me every... Valerie, my wife, Valerie. In every bird brain thing I've ever done. She has the ultra support. She has been? Oh, like on, you know, what I did for profession, outside of music. into everything and putting up with, you know, just the weird stuff I do, you know, like... Shenanigans. Mixmaster Mike over here fucking in my hillbilly again. crazy. You know, and like, you know, I lost my parents a couple years ago, but they they they were a big part in the 90s because, you know, I had a rough childhood growing up. And my dad, you know, he was always pretty cool in there, but like when we actually were old enough to, you know, get out and go on the road, But nevertheless, my parents were so... But he was always dead. Like I said, he really, like you said, he was happy that it was, you know, doing that stuff. My mom was too. And, you know, even though, you know, the breakdown of, you know, everything that happened younger. Yeah, yeah. It kind of put me there and I guess it gave me a little bit of ease as I got older to, you know, I guess, forgive them for a lot of the craft that happened when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah. But, um, yeah, that was that was a big one. And, you know, so many influences, you know, music and just the way I carry myself throughout the years of hardcore, you know, I've had so many really cool people. I mean, it's almost too many to really say. So if you're running around, you know, then other guys, you know, that in the hardcore scene that I always thought were really cool, Kelly, you know, like I guess of the mid of the mid. The compound days. Compound days. He's one of the guys left.
Jason: Shout out to Kelly Dow for a big influence in, you know, our last fucking EP. Yeah, right, he helped write The Program and in clutch, I mean, we went to Europe, you know?
Glenn: So, like, that was a big deal. Big Bob, Bob, Bob, Big deal. I would say he was a big influence in there. Bobby Hilberg? Yeah. Um, I... Like, well, he's gone now, but big Mike Schmidt. Big Mike Schmidt, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was, like you said, all right, you know the Schmidt, fucking that was our original drummer.
Cliff: Well, I'll move on to Jason.
Jason: I'd be kind of anybody else. It's all good, yeah. It's all good. Be here for a week. A lot of the scenes throughout America. I mean, like in Europe, Canada, Mexico, but everywhere, like. I mean, when we were out who were nonstop grinding, like people were so inviting. And like, it was always like, oh, who can let us crash on the floor? There'd be like 50 kids. you know? We're afraid to do that. Everybody let us crash their house. all over everywhere, you know? And so, there's like family in every town, right? Every everywhere you play, so shout out to all those people in the past that have helped us out, supply to place for us to stay, put on a show. God, some of the great Salt Lake place. Yeah, Salt Lake City.
Cliff: SLC (shout out to Sean MC and Clear)
Jason: It's like a... the I-80 Alliance, right? Right, true. That's like from Sacramento. SF to Sac, to Reno, then to the SLC
Glenn: There's one person I got her, you know, maybe that was probably a big influence of everything from back from the early Gilman days. Jose Galvan. Yep, Jose Galvin.
Jason: Max was Spazz like those dudes. And then, you know, Mike Ward for better or for worse, that crazy fuck.
Cliff: Fuck Mike Ward ahahahahahhaha.
Jason: That dude would load us out in a fucking Grand Torino and Jack Shangle, our old guitar player that I ended up fucking bickering and fighting with and kicking him out of the band, but hey, shout out to him. I haven't seen him fucking forever.
Colin: Yeah, he got me in the movies. He had that cheap thrills theater on public access. Yeah, my girl watching it. Yeah, that's so crazy.
Glenn: I think Mike Ward is an influence probably in, like, he's a huge influence in... He took us into so many bands, Jason: but not only that, like his influence in Reno. I mean, he was one of the original Skeeno dudes who like, I mean, he's back in the days of when Minor Threat was coming here when Positive Force Records was starting to pop off with 7 Seconds. He had the Connecticut connection. Like, he would go out during the summer, fucking youth today and all those dudes, like, he's hanging out with all them. He bring all that music back. Then here we are like, fuck, man. And he was, yeah, you cleaned it up. introduced us into like just massive, like, how do we find records? How do we find these bands? And then he fucking knows them also. So then we meet them all. I mean, they're playing this one's playing with Judge. I mean, how who can say that shit? Yeah. Not a lot of people on the West Coast can say that, you know? From back then. Now they tour a lot better. Back then, not a lot of people. I mean, I think they played 2 or 3 dates on that tour out here. So meeting them and growing up, those were huge influences for me. Youth of Today, Uniform Choice. Bold. Like, these are all been No for an Answer was a huge one for me. The story you got with him fucking kills me. I love it. Dan O' Mahoney Shout out to Dan O'Mahony. He used to cover like some of their songs. And shout out to like Dwid and Integrity. I mean, that dude's always been supportive of us. Yeah, yeah. Dan Gump, life sentence, Carl in fucking Ian. Everybody in Earth Crisis. Scott, everybody. I mean, those dudes have been through thick and thin. They're always, they're, like, always championing them. Yeah, they are. Because we've been talking about this shit for years. Like, they're always telling us, like, when do you even get back together? You guys need to get back together. Danny, put out the record, get back to you, like, all this shit. They're always super motivational, then to see them, those are dudes my age. Glenn's age still doing it. Still good, full time. So they're huge motivations for us, Jamey. Jamey had done so much for our band back then, like booking shows all over him. Now I mean, great success, like, fuck, man. They're trying... All those dudes. And they're nothing but nice and respectful to us every time. I took my son to show down in Vegas, and it was, like, it was Hatebreed, and it was Bleeding Through, um, Comeback Kid, which shout out to Comeback Kid. That's my son's favorite band. Oh, he left them. So, and I love them. They're fucking amazing. They're amazing. They're a really good ride, dude. So shout out to all those dudes, like, and just people that are always even, it's cool because in the hardcore scene, you may not have seen somebody for five, 10, 15 years. You can pick up right where you left off. which is awesome. Just shout out, just shout out to freakin Jesus Brown. He's like that. Him and I, like, have this eternal connection. Like he left to go to Texas, become a nurse, chase, all that. And then it's like he comes back and he was start up right where we left off. And now he's got a son and shout out to Sonny and my kid, Gage, because that was my thing too. Like, the thing for me in the heart of hearts is like, man, I wish my kid could see me play. So that was like... Like my biggest motivation was like being able to play for them before I die. like I'm like, dude, I'm fucking, you know, getting old. I'll be 52. And if we don't play now, what's the chances of us doing it? you know? So it was like... And these views, I mean, these fucking dudes just like, I give these guys all the credit in the world for fucking help us. Like, do what we want to do and play what we want to play, you know? So shout out to these guys. Shout out to Glenn. I mean, this asshole, him and I have been fucking up this shit for fucking ever. So, like, you're fucking old, like, old ladies. Yeah, exactly. We're all married couple. I mean, we've been battling back and forth wanting to play music. I mean, since we're, like, 10. Yeah. You know, it was back in the days of fucking Sacrilege, DRI, fucking Black flag. Like, seeing all that shit live and thinking back, like, holy fuck, man, we saw all that shit. And now we're bringing it forward in what we want to do and how we want to present it, you know? So that's a huge thing for me is like playing music, like getting the message out there. You know, so I'm excited. I'm super pumped about playing, like, let's go. I love it.. Who do we got? March 13th, Big Boy. Real Bay Shit. Real Empire? Yeah. Where here in 620 Ryland. And then 4/19,w/He Is Legend. Shout out to you, sir. Yeah. Because you've been championing us this round for fucking, like, end the scene and showing up.
Jake: The real Reno Hardcore.
Jason: That's the shit, man. Like you're motivated as much as we are to like get this shit rolling.
Cliff: Dude, it's important to me. Like, I don't, Like, if I didn't have hardcore man, I I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have what I have now. Like, I wouldn't be at... Hard Times Muay Thai with you guys and Brennan.
Glenn: I'll tell you what, it's crazy. Like, hardcore shapes your life in a way that is so different than any other aspect of it. Absolutely. I always look at like hardcore shape to me and then other things in my life will continue to shape to it.
Jason: Well, I was listening to dudes on Hardlore, because I love listening. But they were like, when people like in their normal day jobs, right? Like, how do you explain, like, um, to a coworker, they're like, yeah, explain God's Hate is the band. That's how I feel. So I'm like, dude. Oh, man, I can't even go down that road. like, oh, you're in a band, you're in a band, or I was. I'm just like, yeah, it's it's yeah. You just, I can't explain it. I can't go there with it because the people will not understand.
Glenn: Yeah, you have to explain it is, you're not playing the heavy metal band.
Colin: Yeah. that if I need a place to stay. Hardcore is unique in the sense of like, there are places all over the world that if I needed a place to stay, like that night, I'd get up, text somebody in that area, and they're just like, yeah, of course.
Cliff: Well, and you would have something in common
Colin: Like, there was a kid I met at a show in Berkeley last summer, I would say, and he texted me the other day and was like, hey, I'm coming to Rita. Can I crash your place? Oh, yeah. I met him once, you know? I know.
Jason: Shout out to Gilman Street, man. We've been going there since we're 13. Yep. Yeah, I don't know any other scene that's like that, you know? That's that inviting. No, but... It was.
Glenn: I remember, like, in Europe, we were touring Europe, I mean, we met so many cool kids in so many countries, you know, they were all different..
